Friday, September 08, 2006
Boomers And Deflation
Danielle DiMartino writes about the baby boomers and deflation." A reader suggested that immigrants are the obvious solution to the economic vacuum being created by the baby boomers leaving the workforce. Imagine for a moment that there were enough immigrants and young people to offset the number of boomers who will be retiring. If that were the case, would they have the financial wherewithal to fill boomers' shoes?"
"'To think that all the boomers have to do is sell their homes to pay for retirement and health care begets the legitimate question of 'to whom and at what price?'' Pimco's Bill Gross wrote. 'If there are fewer X'ers and Y'ers to unload even their second homes to, rudimentary supply/demand curve analysis suggests prices must adjust downward to facilitate the transfer, incorporating the ability of immigrants and future first-time buyers to afford what now seem to be unaffordable starter homes.'"
"One word is written all over the unfolding demographic picture: deflation. Right now, we're all feeling the faintest of deflationary winds."
"Doug Ingram of Dallas-based Samco Capital Markets explained: 'In mere weeks, gasoline has plunged 65 cents in some areas. In the South, where we use such expressions, we'd say that's downright deflationary.'"
"But it's bigger than an energy bubble. 'What if,' Mr. Ingram asked, 'housing, autos and gasoline all get cheaper? What will housing retreating by 10 to 20 percent and gasoline falling off 26 percent do to inflation?'"
"Deflation, or consistently falling prices, sounds good on the surface. But it's an economic spiral, in which consumers and businesses put off spending indefinitely, on the theory that everything will be cheaper if they just wait until tomorrow."
"In the end, Mr. Gross worried, it is 'too late to have babies, too politically sensitive to import more workers, too daft to recognize that the boomer winter is rapidly approaching and that our assets will not fund our liabilities.'"
"The Bank Credit Analyst suggested: 'Bonds should rally as the market discounts more aggressive Fed easing next year in response to the slowing U.S. economy and receding inflation expectations.' The BCA may be on to something. It was no coincidence that Japanese government bonds outperformed every other asset class in their battle against deflation."
"'To think that all the boomers have to do is sell their homes to pay for retirement and health care begets the legitimate question of 'to whom and at what price?'' Pimco's Bill Gross wrote. 'If there are fewer X'ers and Y'ers to unload even their second homes to, rudimentary supply/demand curve analysis suggests prices must adjust downward to facilitate the transfer, incorporating the ability of immigrants and future first-time buyers to afford what now seem to be unaffordable starter homes.'"
"One word is written all over the unfolding demographic picture: deflation. Right now, we're all feeling the faintest of deflationary winds."
"Doug Ingram of Dallas-based Samco Capital Markets explained: 'In mere weeks, gasoline has plunged 65 cents in some areas. In the South, where we use such expressions, we'd say that's downright deflationary.'"
"But it's bigger than an energy bubble. 'What if,' Mr. Ingram asked, 'housing, autos and gasoline all get cheaper? What will housing retreating by 10 to 20 percent and gasoline falling off 26 percent do to inflation?'"
"Deflation, or consistently falling prices, sounds good on the surface. But it's an economic spiral, in which consumers and businesses put off spending indefinitely, on the theory that everything will be cheaper if they just wait until tomorrow."
"In the end, Mr. Gross worried, it is 'too late to have babies, too politically sensitive to import more workers, too daft to recognize that the boomer winter is rapidly approaching and that our assets will not fund our liabilities.'"
"The Bank Credit Analyst suggested: 'Bonds should rally as the market discounts more aggressive Fed easing next year in response to the slowing U.S. economy and receding inflation expectations.' The BCA may be on to something. It was no coincidence that Japanese government bonds outperformed every other asset class in their battle against deflation."
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Aar... this can be maddening. I waffle back and forth almost every day re: inflation/deflation scenarios. 'Sure makes it tough to invest accordingly when the "smart" bet is the polar opposite of the wrong bet.
I have to keep falling back on my gut, which is that 'banks win, and little people lose', and that's the inflationary end-game. But the deflationary argument makes a terrifying amount of sense too...
< /end hand-wringing >
I have to keep falling back on my gut, which is that 'banks win, and little people lose', and that's the inflationary end-game. But the deflationary argument makes a terrifying amount of sense too...
< /end hand-wringing >
IMHO both are going to happen, the question is in which order. Just for argument's sake, if I had to guess I'd say...
1) Deflation -- housing, jobs, stocks, credit crunch;
2) Hyperinflation -- Fed desperately tries to fight deflation, DC heaps on more Keynesian deficit spending;
3) Deflationary depression -- USD/UST failure, banking crisis, market collapse, paralyzed government.
Yeah, yeah... I know the USD/UST failure seems counterintuitive to the typical definition of deflation. Still, based upon the Bernanke's writings, the penchant for politicians to always do the wrong thing, and historical precedent, it's really not that much of a stretch.
1) Deflation -- housing, jobs, stocks, credit crunch;
2) Hyperinflation -- Fed desperately tries to fight deflation, DC heaps on more Keynesian deficit spending;
3) Deflationary depression -- USD/UST failure, banking crisis, market collapse, paralyzed government.
Yeah, yeah... I know the USD/UST failure seems counterintuitive to the typical definition of deflation. Still, based upon the Bernanke's writings, the penchant for politicians to always do the wrong thing, and historical precedent, it's really not that much of a stretch.
NVar,
Those are all good questions we debate regularly here and at THBB. If you learn the answers, could you please tell us? ;-)
Those are all good questions we debate regularly here and at THBB. If you learn the answers, could you please tell us? ;-)
NVar,
That's a lot to consider. IMO, a primary gold position is like life insurance. Some is neccesary but too much is wasteful (opportunity costs, etc.)
I'm not talking about speculating on gold, but a core amount of gold insurance for those situations none of us hope will happen (much like life insurance, again.) Speculating is a seperate matter and appropriate for some people.
Also, IMO, that core gold position may prove useful in deflationary or inflationary situations. Both are very destabalizing for an economy, and that is precisely when gold may have it's highest value. I also am a believer in holding that core amount physically.
Start posting/reading over here more often and I think you'll find we touch on many of the questions you raise.
That's a lot to consider. IMO, a primary gold position is like life insurance. Some is neccesary but too much is wasteful (opportunity costs, etc.)
I'm not talking about speculating on gold, but a core amount of gold insurance for those situations none of us hope will happen (much like life insurance, again.) Speculating is a seperate matter and appropriate for some people.
Also, IMO, that core gold position may prove useful in deflationary or inflationary situations. Both are very destabalizing for an economy, and that is precisely when gold may have it's highest value. I also am a believer in holding that core amount physically.
Start posting/reading over here more often and I think you'll find we touch on many of the questions you raise.
Looks like we are in for a possible dip again as Asian mrkts are down as we speak. PM's that is..Gold under 6
silver under 12.....
Do you guys know of investorvillage.com? especially the GG board is the most active..lots out bailouts from the yahoo boards and more intuitive...Anyway they had talked about a correction so I bailed from my dogs on Tuesday morn so am ready to buy at a possible dip again...They warned late May to take cash...wish I did..
Anyway some helpful fellows over there. Taking advice from strangers is a bit risky but they have been right on. Anyway, I loaded up on QEE as a spec ,and will buy back SLW after I see what happens tomorrow. Have your "insurance" but also " no balls,no blue chips " the PM markets are really jumping but long term can the dollar remain strong?
I'm not betting on it....
...sorry I corrected late May, I had wrote June which was Really ! too late at that point..
silver under 12.....
Do you guys know of investorvillage.com? especially the GG board is the most active..lots out bailouts from the yahoo boards and more intuitive...Anyway they had talked about a correction so I bailed from my dogs on Tuesday morn so am ready to buy at a possible dip again...They warned late May to take cash...wish I did..
Anyway some helpful fellows over there. Taking advice from strangers is a bit risky but they have been right on. Anyway, I loaded up on QEE as a spec ,and will buy back SLW after I see what happens tomorrow. Have your "insurance" but also " no balls,no blue chips " the PM markets are really jumping but long term can the dollar remain strong?
I'm not betting on it....
...sorry I corrected late May, I had wrote June which was Really ! too late at that point..
It’s going to be silver in the coming days
Silver could be more profitable investment than gold
Silver makes sense for gold investors
Silver could be more profitable investment than gold
Silver makes sense for gold investors
Silver getting absolutely hammered -- $11 even overnight. What the heck happened?
Man, Six Flags hasn't got a rollercoaster anywhere to compare with the PM markets!! :-)
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Man, Six Flags hasn't got a rollercoaster anywhere to compare with the PM markets!! :-)
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